Why O'Bannon was right . . .

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MemberOvomorphMarch 24, 20123353 Views41 RepliesInspired by another post on Walter Hill and David Giler, I would like to know if anyone agrees with DanO that their rewrite was not an improvment, at least story wise. Especially when it comes to Ash. The problem is that it makes the whole sending humans to LV-426 rather ludicrous. It is clear from both the movie and novelization that the company knew this was a hostile life form, deadly. Now, they have all these androids running about and can easily send a smaller, cheaper vessel manned by a few Ash types to investigate, pick up and return to some colony off earth for further study/research.
It is not as if the Nostromo just picked up the signal when the crew was awoken. There was no need for these men and women to be the ones to get the life form. No need to lose how many billions of dollars in equipment and oil, which they knew was a distinct possibility, in fact the likeliest one. The various explanations fans have made read more like rationalizations to make the story stick when the addition of Ash, while adding some suspense and the great Ian Holm, makes the Company seem both evil and stupid.
Having said hat, the Giler/Hill screenplay does improve greatly on the dialogue and pace. What do you think? What makes more sense . . . Mother picking up a signal that it truly can't decipher resulting in a crew that decides on its own to investigate or the evil company planning the whole thing?
March 24, 2012
I think the company wanted to avoid anything that could look like another expensive xeno-contact mission after the Prometheus fiasco, and the easiest way of retrieving an Alien lifeform was to send unsuspecting space tuckers so they could get infected. Androids can't...
March 24, 2012
@Kronnang Dunn
I think that will be one of the tasks I am expecting Prometheus to complete . . . not explaining every mystery of the SJs, but making the Nostromo sacrifice make sense. In the screenplay and novel Ash goes into great detail as to why the Company decided to have the crew investigate. A lot of it had to do with cost. But if Weyland-Yutani drones picked up the signal, and no one else knows, and the Company has all this info before the Nostromo leaves for earth . . . then there are probably a dozen colonies they could launch a ship from. If they want to know what the effect on humans will be, the company merely has to have the androids bring some eggs to a research facility where they can begin studying the facehuggers on animals, etc.
Now, if the company is indirectly responsible for the very creations of the xenomorphs, the plot gets even murkier.
March 24, 2012
Kronnang Dunn, that's a great rationale: artificial persons cannot host the alien, and therefore human subjects were a prerequisite. Now, you could argue why it wasn't condemned prisoners from the penal colonies that were selected. But then you'd have a tough time explaining why they'd be going to an uncharted planetoid. At least with the space truckers it is a contractual obligation to investigate intelligent signals.
Dallas!Dallas!, I would suggest that because of the quarantine laws, the Company would be unable to transport eggs to any ground-based science facility. Hence human hosts would be imperative to stowaway the alien pass the border controls.
IMO Giler and Hill did improve the story, with genius strokes like making the lead character female. But O'Bannon and Shussett must be praised for the alien mythos.
March 24, 2012
Dan Obannon did initially say that any of the characters in original script could either be male or female.
March 24, 2012
The problem with this theory is that Ash should have killed the crew just after they left the planet. Them he could veers the ship toward Earth with the precious cargo with no annoying crew messing things around...
Of course one can say that he tried. Also, he thought of the xenomorph as "a perfect organism" and that the crew had no chances against the thing, so they would die anyway. What doesn´t happened...
March 24, 2012
It does work as a matter of expedience. Nostromo would be the closest vessel to that system and interstellar flight still costs billions of dollars and takes months or years round trip. The "cheapest thing" is to reroute. Ash probably could have gone to the planet by himself without waking the others up, though. Unless he was not programmed to fly and repair the ship all by himself.
March 24, 2012
Nostromo was the most cost effective, expedient ship to send, and weyland wanted to be sure they got there before anyone else did. There's no reason to believe that ash was programmed to do everything on that ship by himself. Even if he was, he realized that he would not be able to. The plot hole that bothers me is that the lifeboat couldn't accommodate the whole crew. What good is an escape pod that won't even save half of the crew.
Safe? Of course he isn't safe, but he's good!
March 24, 2012
@Myrddin365
there is a second life boat, but its out of order while the events of alien are taking place.
March 24, 2012
Think darker.... I'll give you a second....
The company didn't want any further publicity. They had obviously done a complete censure on the nature of the mission as well as specific objectives. The crew of a Bison Class Commercial towing vessel would not be as readily missed if something had gone wrong. Weyland Yutani could release any number of reasons why the ship/crew was lost. Payout the insurance to the families and secret away their little research project. That didn't happen quite as planned. The real damage comes much later. With the events of Prometheus, and Alien what rational corporation would send a terraforming colony to the same planet? If they knew as much as we suspect, and hopefully will have illustrated by the time the credits roll, then Weyland Yutani become a far more sinister corporate entity than anyone could have imagined. If you look online for the schematics for the Nostromo you will see that there were two Narcissus class long range shuttles aboard it. The other shuttle was disabled, only a company with a crappy safety record would allow something like that.
http://www.yourprops.com/Nostromo-schematic-reproduction-other-replicas-production-material-Alien--1979--prop-56292.html
March 24, 2012
I didn't remember that part. but Ripley said the shuttle won't take four. there were seven crew members. I guess the captain has to go down with his ship in the future. Do they mention the other shuttle at any point during the movie? It would make sense, I just can't place where they communicated that.
Safe? Of course he isn't safe, but he's good!
March 24, 2012
Starbeast: I go back and forth with Ash. The explanations make sense but only if one assumes that the company is truly wicked/evil and not just amoral. On the one hand there is something more terrifying about human truly haphazardly coming upon some Lovecraftian monster by chance. On the other, Ash does make the movie more than just simple Jaws in space once the killing starts. I just think it would be more interesting if it is made clear Ash himself decides to aid the alien and allow the crew to be killed with the company unaware exactly what the nature of the message/organism is and its only orders (for Ash) to make sure the Nostromo lands and investigates. It would also make the connection to Blade Runner universe more interesting with Ash going offline so to speak.
Myrddin: The only problem is that aiding the alien and killing Ripley is implicit in his orders.
I do agree that Giler and Hill did improve the original a great deal. I do wish they kept the pyramid in, though, I can see how that may be viewed as too much backstory and not enough action.
March 24, 2012
The Brandywine leeches added the whole "Ash" sub plot to add a sense of corporate paranoia into the script, an idea that was very much overused by the late 70's. Although it does add another layer to the story, it also confuses the story. Not the first time these 3 idiots have unduly messed with a franchise they didn't even have a hand in creating!
March 24, 2012
Snorklebottom:
I agree with overdone corporate sub-plot. But an android that disobeys orders would keep the layers and not confuse things.
Or maybe just waiting until you can effectively cut from the fake Ian Holm severed head to the real Ian Holm without looking so cheesy . . . the only cheesy looking part to the first movie.
March 24, 2012
It does add layers, but it does also confuse things - for 33 years fans have been debating as to exactly how much the company knew about the alien.
Don't get me wrong Ian Holm did the part justice as he usually does but watch any 10 films from the 70's and at least half of them will have the corporate conspiracy either as the main plot or as a sub-plot.
End of the day, we are all here because of late, great Dan O'Bannon!
March 25, 2012
If you accept the Weyland timeline on the website as canon then there can be no connection between the two films/universes. In Bladerunner the world economy was in the crapper and the environment was compromised. It doesn't rain all the time in Los Angeles which is obviously the result of catastrophic climactic changes. On the website Weyland regenerated an atmospheric shield over the ice caps preventing further environmental deterioration in 2016. His patent for cybernetic individuals was recognized in 2023. Replicants were not androids, they were genetically programmed clones.
March 25, 2012
Do you think the Alien would have been as brutal with Ash as the queen was with Bishop? Would it have Just ignored him?
@Dallas!Dallas! I don't understand what that was referring to. Once the ship was under way, Ash could kill everyone neccessary to protect the organism. I agree with that. He just needed the others to land, grab it and take off. There had to have been a hundred better ways for Ash to try and off Ripley, though. There were effing laser pistols on board!
Safe? Of course he isn't safe, but he's good!
March 25, 2012
I am still of the belief that their really was NO signal, the entire signal thing was made up by the company to get the crew to land on LV-426. What we know of the signal comes from mother, which is already not trust worthy. The signal is only partially interpreted by mother and Ripley and is never heard from again.
There was NO signal!
March 26, 2012
Hey everyone! I'm new here.
I agree with O-bannon wholeheartedly. But in the end Alien came out great & that's what matters.
What the addition to Ash really does is kill the isolation of the setting. "Earth" is [i]there[/i] via the android plant and it feels like an intrusion, it should just been the crew & the alien. Ash also opens up all kinds of potential plot holes as others have pointed out.
Ultimately, they had a story and a script draft and a director, the project was "go" and there was no reason to re-think it from the ground up. So we have the original script and also the material that glommed on to it during production. Some of that (the alien life cycle, Ripley as a woman, everything Scott brought to the project) was great and some of it (junk the producers introduced) not so great.
In the end we have Alien which is so much better than other space movies of that era (The Black Hole, Battle Beyond The Stars, Saturn 3) so I'm willing to take the lame/predictable with the original.